An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God. He asks one of his new student to stand and…
%26gt;Prof: So you believe in God?
%26gt;Student: Absolutely, sir.
%26gt;Prof: Is God good?
%26gt;Student: Sure.
%26gt;Prof: Is God all-powerful?
%26gt;Student: Yes.
%26gt;Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn’t. How is this God good then? Hmm?
%26gt;Student is silent.
%26gt;Prof: You can’t answer, can you? Let’s start again, young fellow. Is God
%26gt;good?
%26gt;Student: Yes.
%26gt;Prof: Is Satan good?
%26gt;Student: No.
%26gt;Prof: Where does Satan come from?
%26gt;Student: From God
%26gt;Prof: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
%26gt;Student: Yes.
%26gt;Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything. Correct?
%26gt;Student: Yes.
%26gt;Prof: So who created evil?
%26gt;Student does not answer.
%26gt;Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible
%26gt;things exist in the world, don’t they?
%26gt;Student: Yes, sir.
%26gt;Prof: So, who created them?
%26gt;Student has no answer.
%26gt;Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the
%26gt;world around you.
%26gt;Tell me, son…Have you ever seen God?
%26gt;Student: No, sir.
%26gt;Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
%26gt;Student: No, sir.
%26gt;Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have
%26gt;you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
%26gt;Student: No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
%26gt;Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.
%26gt;Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says
%26gt;your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
%26gt;Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
%26gt;Prof: Yes Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Now the student said can I ask something to you Professor.
%26gt;Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
%26gt;Prof: Yes.
%26gt;Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
%26gt;Prof: Yes.
%26gt;Student: No sir. There isn’t.
%26gt;(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
%26gt;Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, Mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat.
We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
%26gt;(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
%26gt;Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
%26gt;Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
%26gt;Student: You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light… But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it?
In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
%26gt;Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
%26gt;Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
%26gt;Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
%26gt;Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully
understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be
ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.
Now tell me Professor, Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
%26gt;Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.
%26gt;Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
%26gt;(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
%26gt;Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work
and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
%26gt;Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
%26gt;(The class breaks out into laughter.)
%26gt;Student: Is there anyone here, who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have
done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures?
%26gt;(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
%26gt;unfathomable. )
%26gt;Prof: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.
Student: That is it sir… The link between man %26amp; GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving %26amp; alive.
u know who was tht student
He was Albert Einstein .
Who is right ? student or Atheist professor?
Link to valid source?
Scientists have observed mutations under microscopic conditions and have labeled it evolution, although this happened long after Einstein.
In any case the students arguments are accurate although I doubt very much if the debate concerning evolution was going on during Einstein's education.
Thanks
PS:
God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically.
Albert Einstein Quoted in L Infeld Quest, 1942.
God is subtle, but he is not malicious.
Albert Einstein, Inscribed in Fine Hall, Princeton University.
When I am judging a theory, I ask myself whether, if I were God, I would have arranged the world in such a way. Albert Einstein.
PS: One of the problems with famous people is that "letters" they supposedly wrote pop up after someone dies occasionally as happened with a letter concerning GWB. These usually contradict valid sources such as articles and publications that the individual wrote and are often not available for public reference. When they are available they are often easy challenged, as happened with GWB.
Reply:I don't believe in evolution either and I appreciate the best answer. Report It
Reply:I love it when philosophers try to argue about science. They seem to understand just as little as the retarded fundies. Also, unless there was a stenographer in the classroom, how sure can we be that this was the actual discussion.
And one person believing in god, regardless of how smart he is, does not show any evidence for god. Einstein spent many years trying to prove quantum theory wrong because he didn't like the idea of uncertainty. He was wrong about that. Even the smartest can be wrong and sometimes irrational. Believing in god is irrational.
Reply:no, it was not albert einstein...it was one of two characters in an internet myth
Reply:I can just picture the "genius" who thought up this scenario saying, "Well, it coulda happened".
Reply:The presence or lack of heat, etc can be measured. The presence or lack of god cannot be measured. Should they have chosen to see or measure the prof's brain they could have. They could not see or measure god in any manner. The student was arguing apples and oranges.
Reply:Sounds like something some fundie grasping for straws made up.
Yes the old God vs. Science argument....I actually have a copy of that saved on my hard drive btw.
Reply:"Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain"
Probably not, but if he had an MRI done, you could see pictures of it.
Reply:This is a fabrication.
Einstein never wrote about such a conversation.
Bearing false witness is a sin.
I would suggest publishing your confession on Yahoo Answers.
Reply:please not again
I wish Einstein ( if it was him which I doubt ) ... had been sensible enough to realise that you only have to cut open a skull to find the brain
the same cant be said about God
and I believe in God
Reply:Merry Christmas!
Reply:this is a chain letter that has circulated for years and Einstein was Atheist so good one......
The cutesy poems like Footprints, all of that is not going to sway people....none of it....
AND Faith is simply believing in something that you can't quantify....
THE MAJORITY of Einsteins EDUCATION occurred at HOME%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;it was not uncommon to have NO FORMAL education then.......
I have a better chance of winning the lotto than ever believing in GOD....
Reply:suck it up geek .. no 1 has time 2 read all this ..!!
Reply:I can't believe people are still passing this drivel around pretending that it's from anywhere else than someone's imagination.
Reply:Why did you repost this? It proves nothing.
It's obvious this was written from the standpoint of a god believer to discredit the atheist. And Albert Einstein has nothing to do with this.
Oh, and upon further study, one can see the professor's brain through further investigation, like and xray or maybe a simple crack to the head with a baseball bat.
Reply:This never happened. Whoever told you about it was either lying to you or was simply repeating spam. I urge you to check your sources.
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Reply:Nice story, but it wasn't Albert Einstein. That is an urban legend.
Reply:Is this stupid story STILL making the Internet rounds??
1.) The student does not address the problem of evil--if God created EVERYTHING, then he created evil, as well, and is to blame for all the world's problems (see Isaiah 45:7).
2.) The writer has no understanding of evolution. It CAN be observed, and is very useful in our understanding of medicine and agriculture. (http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary...
3.) We CAN observe brains in several ways.
a.) autopsies
b.) dissections of animals and humans
c.) X-rays
d.) EKGs that reveal the electrical activity of the brain
e.) CAT scans
f.) observations of comatose people who show limited or no movement and response, due to severe brain injuries.
4.) We can just as easily say that heat is an absence of cold, as we can that cold is an absence of heat.
5.) What a dumb story, obviously written by someone who doesn't think about what it is he/she believes.
Reply:it wasn't Einstein
Reply:I bet this is the same straw-man prof who tried to disprove god by dropping a piece of chalk. How clever of you to go all "Paul Harvey" on us there at the end. That sure clinched it for your side.
/sarcasm
Reply:That was pretty awesome.
I'm going to use this on someone one day.
Reply:I've seen this before. The professor was only expressing his point of view, as did the student. SO both were right and wrong...
Reply:Straight from a Jack Chick tract and just as inane, with the added lie that the student was Albert Einstein. No such event happened.
Reply:I would like to have been there for that conversation. Most philosophers are atheists. They can't be philosophers and have faith - it doesn't work that way. I haven't met a philosopher who believed in a god.
Reply:The effects of the professor's brain can be measured through an EEG, so the professor is right, he just didn't realize it.
Einstein never said this.
It's also quite surprising that any professor would willingly challenge a student if he could be stumped by such a common argument.
Reply:I'm going to need a non-biased, reliable source and a link before I believe Einstein said any such thing. I await the link.
Reply:Wrong. Einstein didn't say that.
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein....
Reply:That this was Einstein is a myth. And the fact that neither can argue very well illustrates nothing but just that. The argument of both conflate "evidence" with "sense experience", which has never been any sophisticated thinker's claim. We can and do see plenty of evidence of current evolutionary changes, even in man. Claims about brains are well known, so the claim that the professor has a brain is not extraordinary. Given the neutral universe we live in, any claim about a good or evil deity is extraordinary, and baseless.
Reply:Sounds like an Urban Legend to me.
Reply:Niether the student nor the professor is right. But I am right when I say there are many gods.
Reply:Einstein believed in God the same way Spinoza did. "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind"
Reply:It's a bit long for a question.
Einstein wasn't right on everything, and in any case word games like this may be good fun, but don't achieve anything.
tooth fairy
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