Debate between muslim student and professor?

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God. He asks one of his new students to stand and.....





Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?





Student: Yes, sir.





Prof: So you believe in God?





Student: Absolutely, sir.





Prof: Is God good?





Student: Sure.





Prof: Is God all-powerful?





Student: Yes.





Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?





(The student is silent.)





Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?





Student: Yes.





Prof: Is Satan good?





Student: No.





Prof: Where does Satan come from?





Student: From...God...





Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?





Student: Yes.





Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?





Student: Yes.





Prof: So who created evil?





(The student does not answer.)





Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?





Student: Yes, sir.





Prof: So, who created them?





(The student has no answer.)





Prof: Tell me, son. Do you believe in God?





Student: Yes, professor, I do.





Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen God?





Student No, sir.





Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?





Student: No, sir.





Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?





Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.





Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?





Student: Yes.





Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?





Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.





Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.





Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?





Prof: Yes.





Student: And is there such a thing as cold?





Prof: Yes.





Student: No sir. There isn't.





(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)





Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we


can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.


Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.





(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)





Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?





Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?





Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light.....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness,


isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?





Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?





Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.





Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?





Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the


concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.





Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To


view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.





Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach tour students that they evolved from a monkey?





Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.





Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?





(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)





Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not


teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?





(The class is in uproar.)





Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?





(The class breaks out into laughter.)





Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?





(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)





Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.





Student : That is it sir.. The link between man %26amp; god is FAITH.





That is all that keeps things moving %26amp; alive.


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Debate between muslim student and professor?
Jokes only make sense when they r short.
Reply:No philosophy professor worth his or her salt would get sucked into that conversation.





Propaganda.... of the religious/ridiculous kind....
Reply:that's a good story but it isn't entirely accurate. Evil isn't the absence of good. That's a nice little way of making things black and whit but things aren't black and white. An old man passes away, he dies of cancer, alone. Because he died his apartment opened up for a homeless couple that are pregnant, they can barely afford it, but it went for cheap, because the old man died. A man buys thousands of cans of food for the homeless, the day after wards finds out that all food was recalled because it contained a deadly virus. All those homeless people died. Evil is just the perversion of good. Instead of man praising God, man praises himself, science, reason, a golden calf, Satan. When Man betrays God's command, that is evil.


It's important to make the distinction also between the affect of evil and evil itself. People dying is an effect of evil, starvation, suffering, these are affects of evil. Suffering is not evil itself, and participation in it is especially not evil,.
Reply:give the best answer to the first man who repled what a great man.
Reply:Well that brain thing was completely stupid. Of course if you open the professor's head, you can see the brain in it. Science doesn't say: if you don't see it, it's not there. Because FYI, we can't see air and science says air is there.
Reply:im sorry,but the link between man and god is not faith,it is thin air.Yes.Thin air.


muslims are far too strict and can take their beleifs TOO far.I mean,whats all the crap on they cant shake hands with new people they meet?!


it's called RESPECT. love it or leave it dudes.
Reply:A professor should NOT be espousing his religious or nonreligious believes to his students. Ward Churchill comes to mind.
Reply:Wow, that was excellent!





GOD bless
Reply:even though I'm an atheist - you posting is still very good


it's a good argument - probably the best I've seen so far - but I'm still with the professor





have a good life and a star
Reply:Yeah thats true!!!
Reply:Thanks for that I have heard some of it before
Reply:No practitioner of evolution claims humans evolved from monkeys. This is a common fallacy of someone who condemns evolution without trying to understand what it says. And, people have observed evolution at work. The whole concept of evolution is derived from seeing the process at work. So, this statement is false.





But, it is an interesting story. The problem is that both atheists and religious people have faith. One has faith something does not exist, and the other has faith that it does exist. They are two sides of the same coin.





It is sad that you cannot just have faith and not try to use science methods to prove your religion is correct. It cannot be proven because it is derived from faith which means that it comes separate from proof. But, evolution relies on observations and experiments, and it is not based on faith. It is based on facts. Try to apply observation and experiments to religion, and you have nothing but observations with no way to test them.





Revel in your religion. But, it is not science. It is a mistake to look at it as science. And, you arguments as seen above fail because they are not based on facts.
Reply:isn't this the same one as the christian fundies use, except they make the student albert einstein. i've often wondered why they haven't made it into a country and western record.
Reply:He's not supposed to push his beliefs on anybody else. When a teacher explains something you can tell whether he agrees with it or not but he should just teach the material and move on - unless it was a debate class
Reply:Great essay, what about your question? Or it would be a great essay if you actually got a few facts correct.





Cold describes the condition of low temperature, heat - in physics, heat, symbolized by Q, is energy transferred from one body or system to another due to a difference in temperature.





Your correct to state that Darkness is the absence of light. Scientifically it is only possible to have a reduced amount of light. And darkness is subjective, in that humans have relativly small bands of vision, compared to sa a goldfish we are practically blind.





Science can explain the process behind a single thought. Electricity and magnetism are both very well understood forces, you would be writting this rubbish with chalk on a blackboard if they had not been mastered.





Don't even go to the natural evolutionary process, - its beyond your intellect - the process of evolution is at work and it throws up the odd scientist as well as supersticious preachers.
Reply:How strange to find this 20 year old story attributed to a Muslim student when it was originally written as a theological debate regarding Christianity and the existence of God.....
Reply:i know this Lol haha the student out smarted the professor
Reply:It is true that we cannot deny the existence of God only because we cannot taste, smell, feel or hear Him. You cannot say the painter of a painting does not exist because you didn't smell, feel, taste or hear him.





What we have to see is that a religion to be true is to be 100% compatible with modern established science. If it contradicts, you cannot attribute those contradictions to be from the One Who created the universe.





Islam is compatible with science...it also talks about evolution





http://scienceislam.com/evolution_creati...
Reply:That was REALLY COOL thanks !!


and for you gesus hates you......SHUT IT....WITH YOU TROUBLE CAUSING WAR MONGERING MOUTH, STUPID LITTLE MAN
Reply:That was not a question. That was a very long fictional tale, and a silly one.
Reply:No, it's not. It's just a story, and a severely flawed one at that.





We have machines - designed and built by scientists - that examine human brains. They're used to save lives every day.





This argument hinges on inability to differentiate between different definitions of "faith".





Also, last time I heard it, it was told by a christian.
Reply:i enjoyed that, nice one
Reply:Equivocation - The fallacy of equivocation is committed when someone uses the same word in different meanings in an argument, implying that the word means the same each time round.